Waiting to Inhale: Hospitalists, Marijuana, and Legalization

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By Guest Post |  January 5, 2015 | 

by Dr. Jason Persoff MD, SFHM

Welcome to Friday night as a hospitalist in the ultimate Green State, Colorado: time to gear up for some marijuana-facilitated paranoia, memory loss, nausea and vomiting, and memory loss. I’m not a teetotaler but I do find the new surge in cases of preventable disease a bit disheartening if not occasionally humorous. Prior to this past year, it wasn’t uncommon for me to encounter an occasional marijuana medical problem, but since ringing in the New Year and the new law, it’s become a bit of a habit to admit folks with marijuana-associated illnesses.

Take Mr. L, my first marijuana-associated admission of the night. He presents for his 10th consecutive month of recurrent nausea and vomiting. Stating that these symptoms began roughly about the time that he had a stomach virus in January; his friends suggested a cure for his upset stomach: cue the marijuana. Since then, our gentleman has been suffering debilitating episodes of nausea and emesis. The only thing that stops it, he notes, is “weed”.

This phenomenon of marijuana hyperemesis syndrome (MHS) has resulted in a sharp uptick in cases over the past year. Our toxicologists have informed us that the prevalence of MHS has doubled since the new law went into effect, and my subjective experience is that every third shift I will be in the midst of some manifestation of marijuana misery. The hallmarks have become very familiar to our group: patients will sit under hot showers for hours at a time to quell the nausea and vomiting, which makes interviews more awkward, but the steam is a welcome diversion. Yet they still bristle at the suggestion that marijuana is the cause of their symptoms despite the fact that for many of them, our patient included, this problem with chronic nausea and vomiting started circa January 2014. It’s the classic “a bit of the hair of the dog that bit you” phenomenon akin to the alcoholic who states that alcohol is the only thing that makes his DTs better. and it’s equally problematic to achieve buy-in.

But it’s not always those who have toxicity that have stirred up a bit of ennui. We experienced the awkwardness of medicinal marijuana several years ago—try entering that into a medication list in your healthcare organization’s computerized health record. Ours allow us to add a “non-formulary medication”, but such oddities as dose and frequency border on comical. Are doses supposed to be in mg? Tokes? Inhalations? It’s a challenging discussion since anything we talk about is in terms that often leave me stymied. “Just a bong or two.” “A couple of hits.” “One or two edibles.” “I go for that super-concentrated stuff through an atomizer.” Take that computerized system! Oh, and when it comes to discharge medication reconciliation, should we check that box to “continue all outpatient medications?”

Now that we have fully legalized cannabis in the state, we now have a novel problem with documentation and coding. Courtesy of the Vox Populi, marijuana is no longer an “illicit drug”, but it’s not a medication either. I haven’t confirmed with our coders, but I’m not at all certain whether this can be a bullet point in the review of systems (Does it go under the dietary ROS? The pulmonary ROS?), or if it’s a separate problem in medical decision-making (After all, it’s also not necessarily a medical problem in a sense—or is it?).

Prior to enacting the new law, it was rare—if ever—that a patient came to the ER with acute marijuana intoxication. But now, we have a rise in marijuana intoxication: paranoia, akathisia, tachycardia, and nervousness are all consistent with an acute intoxication episode. In rare episodes, hallucinations and violence can occur. These hallucinations were contributory in the death of a young man in March 2014, when he leapt to his death from a balcony while having a violent reaction to edible pot. Edibles themselves pose a serious problem in that they triple the half-life of marijuana from 4 hours (inhaled) to 8 to 12 hours (eaten). Again, this rate is still far lower than the massive toll alcohol and firearms have in our day-to-day practice, but it is a new phenomenon that has prompted some debate on how best to label marijuana products in the state (see dosage conversation above).

Another weird irony is that there really hasn’t been stupendous research done on marijuana to-date because of the fact the Drug Enforcement Agency continues to list marijuana as a Class I drug. That prohibitive level of control means good case-control studies that could educate us clinicians even further about the potential benefits and other harms of marijuana are currently as common as trials on heroin or LSD. Read: not common at all. But those same researchers can venture out at lunch from a busy day of work, and conduct autonomous research of their own among the many dispensaries that have cropped up in Denver. It almost seems like a scenario created by The Simpsons’ writers.

So what changes once your state goes green? Beyond the amazing windfall into state coffers (to-date, Colorado has seen almost $50 million dollars of brand new tax dollars), inpatient medicine changes very little—our ED experience suggests an increase of maybe 1 to 2% of our admissions will be due to marijuana. Where it does change is in the openness of patients about their marijuana use with decriminalization leading to de-stigmatization. And while that is actually a positive thing overall, it is still sullied by the lack of good data to guide us in warning about dangers of regular consumption. Beyond the evidence of lowered IQs and the acute toxicities I’ve mentioned, I’m still limited to sounding like an after school special: smoking marijuana without filters may be harmful; it could lead to memory loss, your children may accidentally get into your marijuana-infused food and get stoned, etc. It’s just not that substantive: cue the need for the Feds to consider dropping marijuana down a few schedules so that we can begin to offer real information for patients to make real informed, consenting decisions.

Now if you want to come to the appropriately named “Mile High” city, use common sense: smoking marijuana in public places is a big no-no, and Denver police have been issuing 400% more public intoxication citations for marijuana since January 1, 2014. Despite the best efforts to convince the courts otherwise, there is ample data that stoned driving will result in a DWI (think: $10,000 court fees and loss of license as negative incentives), so nibble your Starbursts in the backseat of a cab. Last, if you do imbibe, and find yourself just a little jittery and nauseated, swing on by. We’ve still got plenty of beds available, and the night’s still young; I’m happy to chat with you through a wall of steam about what ails you.

 

Dr Jason PersoffJason Persoff, MD, SFHM is an internationally renowned storm chaser, father of three, husband to an amazing lactation consultant and doula, erstwhile stand-up comedian, and contemporaneous Assistant Professor of Internal Medicine at the University of Colorado Hospital.  He is one of those weird guys who prefers being a nocturnist.  Each May he spends two weeks scouring the Great Plains using many of the same skills he uses in internal medicine—analyzing and interpreting subtle and system-wide weather physiology—to pursue severe thunderstorms and tornadoes.  He has appeared in many TV specials on The Weather Channel, Discovery Channel, and The Learning Channel, and several books.  After assisting in the Joplin tornado disaster, Dr. Persoff has begun to focus his efforts on developing mass casualty response plans for his hospital medicine group. 

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  1. Casey Quinlan (@MightyCasey) January 5, 2015 at 3:04 pm - Reply

    Delighted to see some clinicians weighing in on this, since there have been a host of non-clinical folk (including Maureen Dowd in the NY Times – ICYMI http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/opinion/dowd-dont-harsh-our-mellow-dude.html?_r=0) who’ve reported their n-of-1 results on overconsumption of THC in Colorado since legalization. The net/net seems to be “study your dosing” for patients, and for MDs I hope to see some schedule/formulary updates by the federales to make dealing with the over-served a little less, um, hit or miss.

  2. Bonni Hayford January 5, 2015 at 7:42 pm - Reply

    Miss you Dr Persoff and the halloween parties up the road on Gately!! If you need some help on that disaster plan I think I left my initials on the mayo’s when I left. I’m still at old st lukes, (maxwell finally retired from ER) workin IR. What a gig!!
    Love the blog!! Not so sure Fla will pass, still the bible belt!!
    Miss Ya! Stay Well!!!!

  3. David Cox January 5, 2015 at 11:07 pm - Reply

    I was glad to see that Dr. Persoff has kept his wry sense of humor since moving to the Centennial State. When Pres. Obama made his last major speech, I thought I heard him say he was directing the FDA to move marijuana off Class 1 status, but apparently nothing has happened as of yet. As Dr. Persoff points out, we won’t have any real objective info about the effects of this substance or any of its components (at least in the US) until this occurs.

  4. West Paul January 6, 2015 at 9:25 pm - Reply

    Great article Jason!

  5. Jim Stamm January 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm - Reply

    Colorado: time to gear up for some marijuana-facilitated paranoia, memory loss, nausea and vomiting, and memory loss.”
    It would seem the good Dr. is suffering from a bit of memory loss himself because he writes redundantly.
    Cannabis has traditionally been notoriously well known treatment for nausea and appetite problems. I have never ever heard of it causing nausea by itself. i may be off-base here but i think the DR. is preaching false propaganda. Pot is extremely nontoxic, It’s LD-50 1:40000. One would have to consume like 10 lbs in 15 minutes to have a toxic effect.
    He is almost right about the lack of research in the United States, but if one looks to Israel and Canada There is a ton of stuf being discovered about pot. Google Granny Storm Crows list to see several thousand studies on pot. The United States only allows research If its goal is to prove pot is bad. Even that approach has failed. Dr Donald Tashkin was awarded a grant to prove a relationship between pot and lung cancer. What he discovered is that pot heads have lower cancer rates than nonsmokers. This research has led to other studies which are uncovering pots anti-carcinogenic properties.
    Pot was in the US Pharmacopeia from 1850 until 1942, 5 yrs after pot prohibition began. the reason it lasted for 5 yrs is the AMA was opposed to pot prohibition. They considered it a safe and effective remedy for lots of things
    Pot has also been one of the 50 fundamental Chinese medicinals for nearly 5,000 years.

    • Jason Persoff January 8, 2015 at 12:43 pm - Reply

      I really appreciate a lot of the discussion here–and to my colleagues from my past–so great to connect with you again.

      I’d like to comment on Dr. Stamm’s reply above, because I feel some explanations are in order.

      First of all, the opening line of my blog post was wry humor. I apologize if it failed to hit the mark–sometimes it’s hard to communicate tongue-in-cheek humor in text alone.

      As for the scientific information about cannabis, I have not yet seen any evidence to-date that warrants an opinion that it is “safe” as a medication. Marijuana is a heterogenous compound in it its native form–at present, the use of recreational marijuana is hardly controlled, purified, dose-verified, or consistent. That there is no standard, and frankly no easy way to homogenize a recreational product, means that any study performed based on smoking, chewing, or other means, is subject to exceptional biases.

      The study looking at potheads having lower rates of lung cancer is deeply flawed. It’s a retrospective study with all of that pitfalls that involves, including user recall. Unlike smoking, where users more or less use a “measurable” amount more consistently (i.e., 1-2 ppd), there is no common variable for marijuana users.

      Your link to Granny Storm Crows list (which is here: http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GSCListJan2014CONDITIONS.pdf) is fascinating. However, it focuses a lot of attention to the cannabinoid receptor, or at self-reported impacts on marijuana use. There are some terrific studies there, but the reality is it does not vindicate the presumption you suggest that marijuana is used in many studies backing its safety. I stand by my assertion that we don’t have solid data yet to recommend its use.

      As an analogy, how are we doing with simple dietary recommendations regarding cholesterol? Are eggs in or are they out? Is butter in or is it out? Is it the Omega-3’s or is it the ratio of fats? Truth be told, we aren’t good at knowing how to formulate dietary recommendations, how can we be certain about something that is more akin to a dietary product (due to its heterogeneity and varied use) than we are about what diet to recommend?

      Marijuana cyclic emesis syndrome is very well described in the literature. I’ll save you some trouble and point you to this Google Scholar link (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=marijuana+cyclic+emesis&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C6&as_sdtp=). This is a very well-described phenomenon. Given that it represents a toxicity of marijuana, it is helpful for clinicians to educate themselves on the potential risks of the drug.

      I’ll close with this: I have no horse in this race. I don’t use marijuana and I don’t judge those who do. The patients I see clearly are a biased lot: they all are getting admitted to the hospital and therefore already represent a stark minority of marijuana users. That said, I am also a scientist and therefore demand very rigorous standards of what constitutes “safe”. Analogies that stretch to include ancient remedies–many of which are beneficial–also discounts the many that are exceptionally harmful. No one is clamoring for us to re-introduce foxglove root (digoxin), mercury, arsenic, or lead-based compounds into the regular rotation of treatments. For a reason. They have proven to be (for the most part) toxic. Even digoxin is increasingly disappearing as a standard pharmacopeia.

      tl;dr: We don’t know enough about marijuana to declare it safe. There are recognized toxicities. My blog was nothing more than relaying my own clinical experience. It is not judging nor weighing in on its safety, efficacy, or eventual destination in the US population.

  6. Darlene January 6, 2015 at 11:00 pm - Reply

    I have had the priveledge of working with Dr Persoff years ago. I can say without a doubt He is the most knowlegable, caring, giving and funny man I have ever meet and I trust his opinion far more than any others.

  7. Dan Steffy January 8, 2015 at 12:19 pm - Reply

    Dr. Persoff! I love your sense of humor. I have seen two cases of marijuana induced hyperemesis in the last 2 weeks; one inpatient, the other in clinic. Although not the strongest evidence, this 40 year cohort study showed marijuana use more than doubling risk of lung cancer (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283). I’ve also seen marijuana-induced hypogonadism in some male patients which will get their attention 🙂

  8. Rana January 12, 2015 at 2:15 am - Reply

    Excellent post Thanks Dr. Jason for this Great Article Share with us.
    Medical marijuana Denver

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